Liveblogging the Oct 7 Debate
8:00 First question: the economy
OMG, McCain is vintage McCain right out of the chute. Populist crap. Obama is lying or clueless, but his version still sounds better than McCain. Brokaw's follow question of who will be the new Treasury Secretary was stupid, fumbled by McCain, Obama wins again with more BS.
8:10 Second question: how will "the package" help?
McCain speaks truly, but after Q1 response, looks like he's just lashing out. Repeats proposal to rework bad loans, sigh! Obama claiming to have sounded alarm. Why, he wrote letters! Obama wins, but "we have to coordinate with other countries" - Hugh Hewitt will be all over that. McCain repeats mortgage redos, lands one small punch few will notice. Round two to Obama.
8:18 Third question: How can we trust either of you, who both created this mess?
Obama leads off, starts running agains Bush, some criticisms valid but unresponsive to question. McCain reminds us of his failures reaching across the aisle, but it allows him to point out that Obama never takes on his party. McCain jabbing now, at Obama's spending plans. A slight edge to McCain. Follow up: your number one priority of Health Care, Energy, Entitlements in year one? Dumb question, Tom. McCain ducks, we'll do all three, by reaching across the aisle. He is partly right - have to start working on all of them. Obama: Energy. Ten years to freedom from Middle East oil! BS, especially with just $150 billion over those ten years. Health care second. Promises to eliminate programs that don't work. Obama BS's again on tax cuts, but dumb electorate will nod their approval. Score this one even.
8:28 Fourth question: what sacrifices should America make?
McCain pedantic, a few earmark jabs. Obama remembers the brief unity after 9/11 (ended by Democrats you may remember), Bush saying "go out and shop!" Good opening spoiled by wandering into energy, blather about the Peace Corps. Lackluster on both sides. Followup: how would you bring American overuse of credit and deficits in line? More than earmarks Obama says, true enough. Placates teachers, a little social justice nonsense. Unfocused. McCain says last President to raise taxes in a recession was Herbert Hoover. Good line even if poorly delivered. Small business will suffer Obama's tax increases. Double personal exemption for children. Let's not raise anyone's taxes. Slight win for McCain, but he's still trailing after big bungles on Q1 and Q2.
8:37 Fifth question: Entitlement Reform?
Obama goes back to tax policy. Make less than $250,000? No increase. Less than $200,000? Taxes go down. Statistically impossible, and corporations don't pay taxes. That said, Obama is playing his dumb audience beautifully. McCain says Social Security - we know what to do. Medicare - harder, appoint a commission, then vote up or down. Ha. Look at our records. I fought spending, cut taxes, and made reforms, my opponent has not.
8:42 Sixth question: what will you do first two years about Climate Change and Green Jobs.
McCain buckshots all fronts, ties to economy, jobs it will produce. Obama: not just a job, it's an opportunity, to create 5 million jobs. Says McCain voted against alternative fuels over 20 times. "We can't drill our way out." Even if we could, greenhouse gas too high. B as in B, S as in S, but it plays in Peoria. Brokaw: a Manhattan Project or thousands of entrepreneurs? McCain: we've got to drill, we can, we will. Slight win for McCain.
8:49 Seventh question: Should Health Care be a commodity.
(I'll answer that: yes!) Obama has Pollyanna program to cut everyone's costs and pre-existing conditions don't matter. Characterizes McCain's approach as a tax increase, one even Chamber of Commerce said would eliminate employer health care. (And?) McCain: This issue really shows difference in approach, that Obama uses government. Your employer doesn't offer coverage, you don't cover your children, there will be fines, there will be suspensions ... McCain tied it together well at the end. Brokaw: is health care a privilege, a right, or a responsibility? McCain - a responsibility, and without government mandates. Obama - a right. Repeats his earlier material, doesn't refute McCain's assertion, confirms it. And insurance companies will lie and cheat otherwise. Big win for McCain.
8:58 Eight question: Can a weak American Economy sustain its Peace Maker role in the world?
McCain: when and where to ask requires experience I have, Obama does not, got first couple tests wrong. Obama: old Iraq didn't attack us on 9/11. Iraq spending money Obama could spend better, while Iraq has plenty of oil money. Yawn. Speech a little more halted at first, finding words a little harder to come by. Brokaw: What is Obama/McCain doctrine on humanitarian issues like Rowanda? Obama: predictable patter. McCain: you have to temper your temptations with judgments, my long suit, as my record shows. Good answer, another win for McCain.
9:07 Ninth question: Should we respect Pakistan's border or just go in and get Bin Laden?
Obama gives a rather flawed summary of the situation, seems unaware of recent leadership changes there, or where Al Queda is. McCain: Afghanistan became a problem when we left when the Russians were driven out. Key is to get the support of the people, the true purpose of the surge. Good point. Obama butts in, realizing he messed up, says, no I'm not for invading Pakistan. (He was once.) Obama lashes out in apparent frustration, looks a little small, sounds like Jimmy Carter. McCain responds well. Brokaw: what is current Afghan situation? can we find an acceptable dictator? McCain wins again, pointing out how Obama still won't admit the surge worked. Clear win for McCain.
9:20 Tenth question: Can US pressure Russia on humanitarian issues?
McCain: Russia is a challenge, but we have multiple options, particularly with NATO and other allies. Obama walks out on the ledge on Georgia, which he botched initially, saying we need to anticipate. McCain didn't saw off the branch. Even round.
9:26 Eleventh question: would you wait for UN OK to support Israel if attacked by Iran?
Seems like a softball, but McCain gives a surprisingly deep answer, ends firm with "we can never allow a second Holocaust." Obama: we can't allow Iran to go nuclear, but by diplomacy and sanctions. We need direct talks with our enemies, if only to make threats? Unconvincing, small win for McCain.
9:30 Twelfth question: What don't you know and how will you learn it?
Obama entirely unresponsive, just vote for change, new direction. McCain: the future. We don't know what awaits us at home at abroad. Might have to deal with countries we can't find on a map today. But I believe our country is up to whatever happens, especially with my steady hand on the tiller.
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A typical debate I suppose. McCain lost first two questions handily, but then started moving up and had all the momentum at the end. Obama appeared calm, but clearly was rattled on the Pakistan question. For a typical voter, this was a draw. For the more astute, a slight edge goes to McCain.
Still, for real Republicans, McCain again shoved the bamboo under our fingernails with his populism and reaching across the aisle as if that is virtue alone. This has to hurt getting volunteers and turnout. It's like the Star Tribune, seemingly oblivious to why they're losing money.
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