Speed Gibson

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Preserve the Minneapolis Park System

The Minneapolis Police and Fire departments aren't the only agencies threatened with budget cuts. The Minneapolis Park Board is seeking downright independence via a Charter Amendment they hope to get on the November ballot. I don't live in Minneapolis, but I'm all for it. It's that rare exception where I'd be willing to pay for a better Minneapolis. Not a lot, but it shouldn't take a lot, either.

The Minneapolis Park system is easily, far and away the best in Minnesota and many other states. It is as much as anything, the very identity of Minneapolis, the City of Lakes. Even most of the neighborhood parks, even in the tough areas, are large and scenic, and compare well with their suburban equivalents. I think I'm qualified to make such an assessment, having walked every street of Brooklyn Center, Brooklyn Park, Robbinsdale, Golden Valley, Crystal, New Hope, Plymouth, Maple Grove, Osseo, Champlin, St. Louis Park, Fridley, St. Anthony, Columbia Heights, Spring Lake Park, Mounds View, and New Brighton. And close to 40% of Minneapolis to date.

There is also talk of merging it with the Hennepin County Three Rivers park system, entirely the wrong answer. Turn these family jewels over to likes of a Mike Opat and he'll soon pave over Powderhorn Park to build a Vikings stadium.

The truth is, Minneapolis has more than enough income to support police, fire, and its park system. Support this amendment and force the Mayor and Council to cut the real fat, like their political pals in Community Development.

Guest:
I was right there with you up until the very last sentence, Speed. Totally agree on the beauty and useability of the Mpls Parks. For that matter, I'm a huge fan of 3 Rivers system, too.

I hate that funding has gotten so politically volatile that important programs (natural/cultural resources at the State level, park board at the City level) have to resort to amendments to ensure long-term funding. Something about that solution is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Having lived in N.Mpls, I can say from experience that Community Development serves a very important role, or at least it did in my old neighborhood.

I wish it didn't come down to cutting one good program to save another.
7.8.2009 1:23pm
R-Five (Speed Gibson) (www):
Ever looked at the size of the Comm. Devel. budget? Huge!
7.8.2009 4:45pm
Liberty (mail):
Help me understand the logic of taxing the poor for fancy parks? How does that increase liberty and allow families to choose how best to improve their financial futures?

If your principles allow you to support this, there will come a point where you will have to contradict yourself in order to oppose most other "good for the collective" ideas.
7.9.2009 8:04am
Margaret (mail) (www):
I hear you on the future quality of the parks system but how is this different from the argument that public funding for stadium proponents use?

Yes, potentially more people can use the park system than the stadiums but, Liberty has a point. It's often said that if you surveyed park users, (just like museum goers and other public amenities' users) they would be among the more affluent (despite programs being made available to the less affluent through the park system). In Mpls, I would bet that they would tend to be more from the south, where the parks are nicer and safer. (You guys on the side have a frick'n rose garden, for crying out loud!)

Minneapolis's biggest problem is setting priorities. We always hear how they can't cut anything because everything is in a "separate pot of money" that can't be used for anything else. Should we cut cops and fire but continue to have a magnificent parks system because other money can't be used to fund basic services?

I don't think turning it over to Hennepin County is the answer either, just that I find the idea that we have these individual fiefdoms in city government really problematic. For example, I don't really see the need for a separate park police either. The MPD could have a separate division for maintaining a presence in the parks but the same drug dealers, hookers and juvenile deliquents that hang out in parks hang out in other places too. The MPS figured this out when they decided not to renew the the contract they had with the Park Police and give it to the MPD.

I think a stable solution should be found to fund parks, I am not a fan of the no collective goods idea. If you want really low taxes (and a lower level of services and amenities like parks) then don't live in a city.
7.9.2009 9:28am
Liberty (mail):
I'm all in favor of voluntary collectives (meaning, private citizens who all agree can fund a wiz-bang park - and charge admission if they don't want "free-loaders" from barging in). I prefer not to assume everyone wants a skate park and legislate funding by force, and that every citizen that doesn't want to pay it must move or else sacrifice for the good of the majority (or vocal/well-connected minority). My family LOVES parks - in fact, our favorite in the metro area is Valley Fair (which we're happy to pay admission to)... but since it's the favorite of many, shouldn't the government make it free by taxing its residents?

I'm arguing the extreme because the slippery slope takes you down all kinds of roads that you may not necessarily want to be lead.
7.9.2009 10:13am
Guest:
Liberty--help me understand: for well over 100 years, through depressions, recessions, and economic downturns, as a community Minneapolis has funded parks because we recognize that they provide a real benefit. It's part of our heritage and it's and extremely well-utilized urban park system. It provides open expanses of nature to ALL kids/families/elderly some of whom may not be able to enjoy it otherwise. We gather there, our children play, we meet our neighbors, we watch kids play their sports.

Virtually every civilization ever has maintained public spaces for the public good. (Visit any European city, or any American city founded prior to, say 1900 and you'll see squares/greens/parks/plazas).

But now, suddenly, we're ideologically opposed to funding them? I value public safety, but I value the things that add genuine joy and quality of life to our city. And they shouldn't be reserved for only the wealthy.

I'm completely serious when I ask, what has happened to us as a society? Where has this come from, and why?
7.9.2009 10:32am
Liberty (mail):
Guest,
I'm not arguing history, you're right; parks have been around for a long time. But just because something has existed for years doesn't mean it's morally right. And I really do like parks. But simply because a majority agrees on something they like doesn't necessarily make it beneficial to the minority.

I refuse to get excited about forcing people to pay for something they may not want or afford. To assume I know best for your family is arrogant. To assume and enforce that for multiple, unrelated and varying families is tyranical.

Let's say a majority decides that Limburger cheese is something people like and ought to be a "right"... and we'll supply a generous helping to all who wish to partake and we'll charge EVERYONE for it whether they like it or not. Alternatively, if all those interested in Limburger cheese want to voluntarily contribute to a fund providing cheese to its "members" that's great! And they choose to offer it to those who don't wish to pay for it, I'd call that charitable - a charactaristic of a truly compassionate society.

Again... I'm arguing in the extreme to prove a point. My goal is to reduce government TOWARD its legitimate function:

To protect you from me... no matter how good my intentions may be for your life.
7.9.2009 12:39pm
Guest:
Hmmm. I get your philosphy, Liberty, but I just don't think it applies to every circumstance. In general, we don't get to choose where our taxes go--this goes back to the tired old saw of funding war/abortion. But I've never heard someone try to extend it to *parks*.

I understand that elected officials have hard decisions to make about how to stretch budgets, and some things will lose funding. But to make a case for not having parks as a public good? Really? Parks aren't cheese--they're, to my mind, as critical to a healthy urban infrastructure as streets and cops.

I think (hope?) you're arguing this for the sake of your ideals, and not because you think parks should really somehow be spun off into private, for-profit entities. Let me play your slippery slope game with you--what's next? No more public access waters in the land of 10k lakes? Yellowstone goes to the highest bidder? Statue of Liberty sold for scrap? Or, heck, what about municipal water? *I* happen to think it's an issue of safety, economy of scale, and quality of life, but maybe you want to have everyone dig a well or buy bottled water.

I assign intrinsic value to some things--not everything is going to neatly line up in the private-funding column. Guess we're just going to be at opposite ends of the spectrum on this one.
7.9.2009 6:09pm
R-Five (Speed Gibson) (www):
I guess I view parks as a legit function of government. I also point out that the Minneapolis Park System was designed and created years ago, back when government was much more responsible. It seems a waste to lose that inheritance just to fund a bloated Community Development department.
7.9.2009 8:27pm
Liberty (mail):
I appreciate your thoughtful comments, Guest &Speed. I *am* arguing for the sake of ideals. I believe that voluntary arrangements are superior to forced arrangements - and my goal is to encourage us to think about pushing the other direction, based on principal, rather than just trying to play defense against government sprawl. Do I think private/charitable parks is a winning plank in elections? Not yet. Do I think they are an improvement over forced participation? Absolutely.

Americans VOLUNTARILY contributed over $300,000,000,000 to charity in 2007... with generally no physical benefit. We also voluntarily trade trillions for personal benefit every year. I would expect these trends to continue and grow if we allowed for a more free society, reflecting one closer to that which existed prior to 1913 (not that it was perfect).

I'm inclined to stick to principle so I don't have to contradict myself when I object to govt health care, govt GM, govt AIG, etc, etc. And I understand that most Dems AND Reps are willing to sacrifice some principle to justify a "program" they can personally benefit from.

And Speed, by all means cut the Community Development department first :)
7.10.2009 8:41am
J. Ewing (mail):
Seems to me that all involved are simply arguing for the setting of priorities in the budget, and then allowing those programs with the lowest priority, those that government should NOT be doing anyway, to "fall off" the end of the budget. The biggest problem of government overspending, as I see it, at all levels, is that NOBODY sets priorities. As a result, everything has the same value, nothing can ever be cut out or cut back, and any new program, regardless of its relative merit on an objective scale, requires an expansion of "revenue." (That is what we have been told to call what we used to call "ridiculous tax increases.")

It's what I have been saying about school budgets for years, and should apply here but doesn't. If the government of (insert particular instance here) had a prioritized budget, then taxation would be a cooperative process between government and governed, rather than an adversarial or dictatorial one. If someone thought of a new government service they wanted, it could be put to the voters as: Do you want 1) to pay x amount in additional taxes for this program, 2) to have this program and drop program y (the lowest priority in the budget), or 3) To not have this new program at all? Very simple, clear to everyone. But government won't do that, will they?
7.11.2009 9:00am

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