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Debate Question Two

Let me spare you the buildup before posing my second debate question for the eleven District 281 School Board candidates.
The Robbinsdale Spanish Immersion (RSI) program currently turns away dozens of applicants for lack of space. Would you expand capacity, keep the current system, or abolish it?
I'll also give you my rather blunt answer, were I candidate #12: I'd abolish it.

Point one is that it's an anachronism, innovative when first created, but America and the world have changed much since then. Spanish was the obvious choice back then, but with immigration and economic reality, Mandarin Chinese might be the better choice today.

Point two is that it's a mis-allocation of resources. An entire elementary building, a neighborhood school, is devoted to very specialized service. I personally would prefer 9 similar schools vs. 8 similar and 1 different. That difference also requires more management and centralized support, and complicates testing.

Point three is that it is the one major 281 program not open to everyone. Only the enrollment process is open to everyone, a process somewhat tainted with set-asides and other back doors. It creates some animus between those included and excluded, neither group really able to say why they're in or out. Advanced Placement is available to everyone, even if not equally convenient. So is International Baccalaureate. So is pre-Kindergarten, or even Alternative Learning (Highview) for that matter. But not RSI.

Point four is that many appear to be enrolling in RSI for the wrong reasons. One reason is that it provides a vicarious experience for stage door parents. Mostly, though, I think it's just to escape the other schools, into a sort of gated community. I'd like to think this isn't so much race or income, but a flight from a perceived general lack of excellence and/or discipline. RSI students inherently have more parent support, which pays dividends on many such fronts.

I would end RSI as gracefully as I could, trying to keep the commitments already made. But end it I would.
Hiram (mail):
It's program that's popular and seems to work. Something I would never consider is rejecting a program that works because it creates awkward managerial issues and creates problems for the test givers.

It seems to me that you are arguing that a good and successful program should be closed because it isn't good or successful enough. My modest proposal is that instead of eliminating successful programs, we should find ways to expand them.

"Point four is that many appear to be enrolling in RSI for the wrong reasons."

I think the school district officials should concern themselves with providing schools that work, not questioning the motivations of the parents who through their taxes, pay their salaries.
10.13.2009 6:13am
R-Five (Speed Gibson) (www):
Just what success is RSI accomplishing, besides District image and parent placation? How is a "graduate" of RSI truly better for the experience? And what are the Opportunity Costs lost to the student - and the District?
10.13.2009 7:25am
Hiram (mail):
"Just what success is RSI accomplishing, besides District image and parent placation?"

Kids are learning Spanish.

RSI is passing AYP.

Parents are being placated, although the word I would choose is pleased. There is after all a waiting list to get in.

"How is a "graduate" of RSI truly better for the experience?"

He speaks Spanish. I would love to speak Spanish.

"And what are the Opportunity Costs lost to the student - and the District?"

Oh infinite, I suppose. The cost of all the things we could do, but don't do, will always be much higher than the cost of the things we actually get around to doing.

People complain that public education isn't innovative, and then they complain when public education innovates. RSI is one the ways innovation looks like, and incidentally it's one of the ways RAS competes with it's neighbors.
10.13.2009 7:53am
Hiram (mail):
Spanish is a much more widely spoken language that Mandarin Chinese. And it's much more widely spoken in the United States. There isn't much need to learn Asian languages because Asians learn English. In terms of global economic competition, one of the principal advantages of India, for example, is that English is widely spoken there.
10.13.2009 8:19am
Birdman (mail):
Spanish could be learned at home with Rosetta Stone. Immersing oneself in a foreign language is what illegal immigrants ought to be doing with English. This is all part of a larger phenomenon which highlights all of our cultural differences rather than the American glue which ought to hold us together.
10.13.2009 11:38am
Give2Attain (mail) (www):
Let's play a math game. Assume half of those folks join the others and run from the district because they have lost their safe haven...

300 students X $12,000 = $3,600,000 in revenue
300 students X $ 8,500 = $2,550,000 in costs

Income lost to cover other programs = $1,050,000

The ability to choose does complicate things. Districts seem to need to be half salesmen now days. It is a wonder we keep as much emphasis on reading, writing, arithmetic and science.

Simple Math
10.13.2009 8:55pm
R-Five (Speed Gibson) (www):
Now consider the costs of running RSI, and those parents you no longer lose because of an additional neighborhood school.

But RSI isn't a math/money question, it's a question of doing right by the kids, no more rolling dice.
10.13.2009 10:05pm
Give2Attain (mail) (www):
I agree folks would still be at Sunny Hollow, however I do not think many of the RSI parents/kids would happily walk back into Meadow Lake, Northport, Lakeview or even Forest... Even if we transferred all of the funding back to them. Maybe I am wrong about this.

Also, ZLE is brimming at ~640 students. ~25% being intradistrict transfers or open enrollees. So there really is no more room at that particular Inn... (side note: pick up and drop off is pretty crazy with all those cars)

In a world of educational choice, somehow we need to get people to want to attend the NE schools. Maybe we will need to find a way to get that new school built yet. Lord knows many people like Forest in part because it is a great facility. There is no denying curb appeal.

How can we get the cities in that area to pony up some land and cash as part of their city renewal?
10.13.2009 11:26pm
R-Five (Speed Gibson) (www):
As a general idea, I like the idea of cities owning the school buildings, leasing to District.
10.14.2009 8:56am

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