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I wonder what Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would say of our brave new world, where as Dennis Prager said, if you're black and on the Left, it's perfectly acceptable to lie about a white on the Right.

I wonder what Edward R. Murrow would say about this new low in so-called mainstream media coverage, indeed participation and promulgation, of nothing short of slander.

Even Dennis Prager, who normally gives even the undeserving every benefit of the doubt, has had enough. Some quotes from his Wednesday program:
"The attempts by people on the Left to deny him the right to do that should scare every Liberal that is aware of the issue. This is the dividing line between the honorable Liberal and the totalitarian Leftist."

"You cannot be a good person, this is disqualifying, your moral character is shown by the opposition to a radio broadcaster, on the Right or on the Left, owning a part of a football team, especially when the opposition lies."

"This is not a Conservative / Liberal issue. This is a good / bad issue."

"Your conscience has been dulled if you can support the lies being told about Rush Limbaugh."
Prager went further, to now brand MS-NBC as the "M-Sewer network" unless and until they make a full apology to Limbaugh.

Ditto.
Hiram (mail):
Rush has no right to own an NFL franchise. And those who objected to the possibility that he might be a part of an ownership group, had every right to express their objection.

I don't think opposition to someone being allowed to buy a football franchise is a moral issue. The ownership group, or the league, both of whom decided, for whatever reason, that they didn't want to be in business with Rush Limbaugh had every right to make that decision on whatever basis they chose to make it.

Rush Limbaugh, a great believer in guilt by association, and in punishing people for the views they hold, has a great deal to learn from Edward R. Murrow.
10.15.2009 2:15pm
R-Five (Speed Gibson) (www):
He did learn a lot from Murrow, to have the courage to tell the truth, wherever it lands.
10.15.2009 2:54pm
R-Five (Speed Gibson) (www):
And the question is not about any "right" to buy into the NFL.

It's about SLANDER.
10.15.2009 2:55pm
Hiram (mail):
Rush has said a lot of things that a lot of people believe are racist. You, or possibly even I may disagree with that belief. Nevertheless, those who have formed that belief have every right to do so, and say so in public.

Rush, like Van Jones and like many others I could name, has every right to speak his mind, but he doesn't have the right to be exempt from the negative consequences that follow from that speech.
10.15.2009 3:23pm
Birdman (mail):
Read a quote from Bryan Burwell who, a sports writer for the St. Louis Post-Gazette who attributed a racist "quote" from Rush which came from an unnamed source. Turns out the unnamed source is an unnamed blogger who was quoted in a book.

Didn't matter. Burwell went on to explain the misquote didn't change the story. Burwell writes:

"Fine, let's play along for the time being and take him at his word that he was inaccurately quoted in the Huberman book. Heck, let's go along for the full ride and believe that it was all a horrible "fabrication."

So what are we left with?

Well, essentially, I think we just threw a deck chair off the Titanic.

There is still a huge pile of polarizing, bigoted debris stacked up on the deck of the good ship Limbaugh that he can't deny or even remotely distance himself from."

In other words, Limbaugh might not have said it - but we wish he had. This is character assassination at its most vile.

Journalism is dead.
10.15.2009 3:24pm
Hiram (mail):
Do you want a list of racist things Rush indisputably has said? The isn't what some St. Louis sportswriter has said, the issue is what Rush has said, and the conclusions people have drawn from his statements, fairly or even unfairly.
10.15.2009 3:34pm
Birdman (mail):
okay, Hiram, give me the racist quotes and source them. The clock is running.
10.15.2009 3:45pm
Hiram (mail):
Check out mediamatters.org.
10.15.2009 3:47pm
Hiram (mail):
People have a right protected by the constitution to say things with which we disagree. I would never question Rush's right to say whatever he chooses to say on his radio show, just as I would never question anyone's right to say such statements are racist, if they so choose. Both are equally protected by the constitution.
10.15.2009 3:53pm
Birdman (mail):
Yes, but here's the larger question: Would you disallow someone from owning a sports franchise because you disagreed with their politics? That's what has happened, my friend. The NFL owners have shown a singular lack of backbone about liberty and the constructs of commerce.
10.15.2009 4:00pm
Hiram (mail):
"Would you disallow someone from owning a sports franchise because you disagreed with their politics?'

No. But I certainly will respect the right of someone else to make a decision on that basis. The NFL didn't want to be in business with Rush Limbaugh. That's their right.
10.15.2009 4:10pm
Hammerswing75 (mail) (www):
As SG states, the issue is slander. Opponents of Limbaugh felt it necessary to invent racist things and put them in his mouth. I went to MediaMatters and looked at their list of purportedly racist statements made by Limbaugh. I can't speak for everything on the list, but a good many of the items are ripped from context so as to present something as racist which is actually meant as just the opposite. That is dishonest reporting, plain and simple. America has a problem with bigotry alright. There are an awful lot of liberals that need to clean up their act.
10.15.2009 4:34pm
Hiram (mail):
Both you and mediamatters.org have a right to your opinion, and the constitution protects both equally. I don't think mediamatters.org slandered Rush, and I don't think you slandered mediamatters by calling them dishonest.
10.15.2009 4:56pm
Hiram (mail):
"Opponents of Limbaugh felt it necessary to invent racist things and put them in his mouth."

The issue isn't the fabricated quotes, the issue is the quotes that weren't fabricated.
10.15.2009 5:00pm
Birdman (mail):
Hiram: Is everything in your world "relative?" Are there no constructs to your sense of right or wrong? Or, do you think God is dead and only men can interpret morality? That must be it. Only Hiram can determine truth!!!! Here's the hard truth which eludes you: Lying, except to save your own skin, is wrong. I realize this is a hard concept for you to embrace, but I want you to consider that not everyone believes truth is whatever the moment demands.
10.15.2009 5:04pm
Hiram (mail):
"Only Hiram can determine truth!"

No. Most emphatically not. I don't get to determine the truth, and neither do you.

I suppose when in His good time, God chooses to weigh in NFL ownership issues, I will take His views as authoritative. But until such time, all of us are on our own.

I don't go around calling people racists, and I don't believe I have called Rush one, and I don't that he is one. But there is no doubt in my mind whatever, that based on the documented statements listed by mediamatters, calling Rush a racist is reasonable.
10.15.2009 5:25pm
R-Five (Speed Gibson) (www):
I'm putting Hiram in the "totalitarian Leftist" column.
10.15.2009 7:30pm
Hiram (mail):
"I'm putting Hiram in the "totalitarian Leftist" column."

It's a free country. Rush Limbaugh can say what he wants. Al Sharpton can say what he wants. And the NFL can do business with whomever they want. I am not telling anyone what to do or what not to do.
10.15.2009 8:39pm
Birdman (mail):
Does everything everybody says deserve equal weight? Does the fool deserve the same right to be heard as the prophet? In your world, the answer apparently is 'yes.' This is the reason I can ignore the bulk of your commentary, Hiram - because the bulk of your observations are value-less - therefore, I discount all of them.
10.16.2009 9:35am
Hiram (mail):
"Does everything everybody says deserve equal weight?"

Nope.

"Does the fool deserve the same right to be heard as the prophet?"

He has the same right to say anything he wants. I don't think anyone has the right to be heard.
10.16.2009 10:18am

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